DeadDisney Posted October 9, 2021 Report Share Posted October 9, 2021 30 minutes ago, gwad12345 said: The reason you are the most annoying part of this mob isn't that you're a dick or whiny or anything it's just that you're really bad at this. I still have never interacted with Kishion and the only thing I even knew about him was his controversial takes on the Tycoon GOATs but here I go digressing again. Alex sent him an invite to the alliance today, to commend him for his destruction of your boy Chuck, after I stepped up on my own accord to defend him from the torrents of abuse, which have now mostly dried up. My takes here are 100% drawn from the back and forth between Kishion and Mob. Unfortunately for the mob, you emerged as its most vocal spokesperson which was never going to help the mob's case. You've been assuming a lot here. I have no idea what you're talking about and I no longer care what ghost you're seeing. I've said from the beginning what my beliefs and intentions were. I also stated that there is inherent bias coming from me because of my relationship with Chuck. I've admitted I'm not exactly impartial here, but I really do not believe Kishion is completely on the up and up. But, I have a horse in this race in Chuck. I admit my vision ain't all that clear. You admitted your job was to be a cleaner for Kishion. There is absolutely nothing unbiased about that. I asked Kishion a simple question -- he can't answer it without looking like he's guilty of something. Not Chuck guilty, but guilty nonetheless. You and I can go back and forth for days, but it won't change that fact. If it turns out Kishion is completely blameless, I'll gladly come here and apologize in public. None of that hide in the shadows pussy shit via pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannetosen Posted October 9, 2021 Report Share Posted October 9, 2021 ITT: grown men throwing hissy fits over a game and calling each other 'snitches' like 12-year-olds. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imcool Posted October 9, 2021 Report Share Posted October 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mannetosen said: ITT: grown men throwing hissy fits over a game and calling each other 'snitches' like 12-year-olds. Shut up mannesnitch! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwad12345 Posted October 9, 2021 Report Share Posted October 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, DeadDisney said: You admitted your job was to be a cleaner for Kishion. There is absolutely nothing unbiased about that. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrscorpion Posted October 9, 2021 Report Share Posted October 9, 2021 This is why whistleblower protections are always being strengthened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted October 9, 2021 Report Share Posted October 9, 2021 32 minutes ago, mrscorpion said: This is why whistleblower protections are always being strengthened. Are they? I think you need to speak to some whistleblowers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zello Posted October 9, 2021 Report Share Posted October 9, 2021 Meanwhile I'm here signing dudes to $500/1k/1K. Bumfights bitches we the future. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted October 9, 2021 Report Share Posted October 9, 2021 Where is ZYD? he can show everyone how to really glitch the game, lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJMitchell Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 So Chuck gets outed for cheating and Kishion is the issue? ...ok 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clydebankblitz Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 1 hour ago, duphus said: Where is ZYD? he can show everyone how to really glitch the game, lol He got ousted right after I started Highland Games in 2014. Basically every one of his fighters were Island guys and all big contenders, but it was really awkward when Im here managing guys he released or Im bigging up other fighters and everyone of them was named after in-game managers haha. Imagine you seeing me like "duphus is a legendary fighter. 7 time welterweight champ. Killer. duphus will be hard to match" and you're like "Wait who tf are you?". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwad12345 Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 20 minutes ago, TJMitchell said: So Chuck gets outed for cheating and Kishion is the issue? ...ok Did you know that it's possible he didn't give back all the money instantly? Nobody really knows but he didn't answer it well enough. Really makes ya think huh? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator001 Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 5 hours ago, bjornmma1 said: Just a question: did Mike fix the loophole that made it possible to have 'glitch money' or did not even that happen? In all honesty, with a game owner who cares this little about cheating, multi abuse and anything going on with the game in general, it is a miracle not more drama is surfacing. This is the only important thing left here........ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJMitchell Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 36 minutes ago, Gator001 said: This is the only important thing left here........ I tried it yesterday and it didn't work 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudoJoker Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, TJMitchell said: I tried it yesterday and it didn't work Admitting to attempting to cheat in the game. Wow! Ban him. I do have actual serious thoughts on this but I'm gonna post them in depth later. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator001 Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 11 hours ago, TJMitchell said: I tried it yesterday and it didn't work good to hear. My point was it seems that Mike has known about this for quite some time and done nothing until very recently. Seems his lack of interest hurt the game here (seems like). I mean supposedly he closed the loophole in March yet here we are in october?? and on a different point it does seem if Chuck hadnt restarted CFC in competition with SYN nothing would have been said or happened. so maybe Syn ownership was happy to take the green until he realised he was getting screwed with CFC starting up again and only then spilled the beans(maybe?) Im not busting the syn owners balls , if you get screwed over you fight back. Chuck cheated and is paying the price and as much as I like the guy, he dug the hole for himself. But, Mike isnt taking care of business if he waits from March until October when the syn owner rightfully spits the dummy numerous posters here from all different alliances have said they raised it with Mike in the past and if the money numbers I have recently heard were 'glitched' are true then Mike is totally asleep at the wheel or just doesnt give a single fuck about MMAT at all as the amount is mind blowingly huge and this isnt the only issue being whispered about away from the forums 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudoJoker Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 So Chuck isn't only a (former) alliance mate to me, but I also co-owned CWC with him. I'm very careful to consider people on the internet "friends" so I wouldn't consider Chuck a "friend" per se, but he was definitely someone I appreciated having the opportunity to work with and he's been incredibly supportive of me as well. So in terms of Chuck, he's cheated and he's done considerable harm to the game's economy. I hate having to admit that, but it's true. In the KBW discord Chuck even admitted to his wrongdoings himself and apogized to us. I don't care what people's opinion of Chuck is, I'm not here to defend his mistakes, but I really do hope he comes back. And I think anyone who wants him outright banned is being overzealous and going to far. As for the stuff with Kishion. I haven't had any prominent experience with him for better of worse. Pretty sure he's had guys in CWC that I've booked and I used to have guys in Alpha 1. No drama, no complaints in either of those scenarios. I think I have a relatively unbiased view when it comes to Kishion, but of course, I have picked up whatever biases I've seen reading through these threads. I don't know what his motivations were, I don't know what his mindset was, and I don't know what his thought process was when turning in all this evidence against Chuck, and none of the rest of us do. We can only infer his motivations. That said, in this situation I think his intentions are irrelevant. Chuck had an created an unfair advantage for himself and a competitor sought to alleviate that unfair scenario. He didn't do anything wrong turning Chuck in and if his story about the money Chuck sent him is true then we're just splitting hairs at this point by arguing over what he did with it. If he's lying, which is possible but I haven't seen evidence that he is, then that's a different can of worms. Someone who does deserve criticism in this scenario imo is Mike. He communicated with Chuck poorly through all of this and now he's basically letting Kishion become the face of this scandal. I suppose it is probably healthy to let people get all these thoughts out. But when one of the most prominent members of the community has this level of scandal happen, he should provide some level of explanation himself. Instead, we have the whistle-blower having to explain and defend his actions for everyone to critique. I'm not going to defend either Chuck nor Kishion, but I do think the position Kishion is in isn't fair to him, regardless of his motivations for snitching/whistleblowing/whatever you want to call it. I'll end this on something I do think is important. To Kishion, one thing I will say from one clinically depressed person to another: nothing good will come of using your depression/anxiety as a shield from criticism. It's a form of self inhibition. If you're at a point where you're feeling overwhelmed, but worried you're looking like you're avoiding the conversation, just explain that you're not in a mental state where you feel like talking about it. I'll have your back on this one. And to people criticizing Kishion: I'm not going to weigh in on the merits of the criticis, but if he's going through a lot in his personal life right, don't dismiss his mental well being on the basis of him doing something you disagree with. That shit needs to stop. 2 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudoJoker Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 9 hours ago, Gator001 said: good to hear. My point was it seems that Mike has known about this for quite some time and done nothing until very recently. Seems his lack of interest hurt the game here (seems like). I mean supposedly he closed the loophole in March yet here we are in october?? and on a different point it does seem as if Chuck hadnt restarted CFC in competition with SYN nothing would have been said or happened so maybe Syn ownership was happy to take the green until he realised he was getting screwed with CFC starting up again so only then spilled the beans(maybe?) Im not busting the syn owners balls , if you get screwed over you fight back. Chuck cheated and is paying the price and as much as I like the guy, he dug the hole for himself. But, Mike isnt taking care of business if he waits from March until October when the syn owner rightfully spits the dummy i.e. numerous posters here from all different alliances have said they raised it with Mike in the past and if the money numbers I have recently heard were 'glitched' are true then Mike is totally asleep at the wheel or just doesnt give a single fuck about MMAT at all as the amount is mind blowingly huge and this isnt the only issue being whispered about away from the forums Exactly this. If one guy is single handedly breaking the game's economy by glitching in so much money it's risking rolling a 32 bit integer, then that should be addressed ASAP. And then, when it is finally addressed months, if not years, after it becomes a problem. The devs/PR (in this case Mike) need to address the player base so it doesn't become a drama filled shitshow with everyone interrogating each other. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRussellMMA Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 I have been offline for a few days whilst travelling... WTF has happened?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudoJoker Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, DRussellMMA said: I have been offline for a few days whilst travelling... WTF has happened?! Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 Stop snitching Chuck's funded more gyms in tycoon than guv'ment has funded abortions in downtrodden communities he's mmatycoon's Escobar mmatycoon's El Chapo mmatycoon's Calvin Ayre long live the dirty money. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10thPlanetKT Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Rambo said: Stop snitching Chuck's funded more gyms in tycoon than guv'ment has funded abortions in downtrodden communities he's mmatycoon's Escobar mmatycoon's El Chapo mmatycoon's Calvin Ayre long live the dirty money. Viva la Raza Chucknelo! I'm sure Mike will figure it out on his own behind the scenes. The economy was messed up way before this incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clydebankblitz Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popart Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Rambo said: Stop snitching Chuck's funded more gyms in tycoon than guv'ment has funded abortions in downtrodden communities he's mmatycoon's Escobar mmatycoon's El Chapo mmatycoon's Calvin Ayre long live the dirty money. The ol’ “Rockefeller/trust busting” debate. Tycoon truly imitates life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rambo Posted October 14, 2021 Report Share Posted October 14, 2021 On 10/10/2021 at 3:13 PM, 10thPlanetKT said: in Chuck's case, it absolutely did lol 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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