PBR Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 for those saying you cant stand up against the government with arms http://i64.tinypic.com/2zp77nm.jpg 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 Crazy how other countries without guns don't have that problem. I'm not apologizing for anything. It's intentionally misleading and he knows it. To clear this up... those cities with those mass shootings and murders have nothing to do with gun laws... strict gun laws.. or relaxed guns law... it has nothing to do with it. that's what happens when you have a dense population of poverty in confined areas and a mass amount of people who have embraced a violent culture. there's all kinds of trailer, hillbilly, livin in the woods poverty people... but they aren't very likely to get into shootouts with their neighbors over what colors they're wearing. we need a massive culture change. right now the media is imprinting deranged school shooting activity and it's being advertised to a bunch of kids who begin to fantasize about extracting revenge on people who make fun of them, pick on em, disagree with em... you know why there's so many mass shootings? because it's front page news, constantly. it's getting imprinted into people's brains. the media, the internet, music, movies, games, all that shit plays a role to some degree. combine that with mental instability, dementia, or very hurt or sick individuals... throw it in a shaker and shake her all about and boom. some people come out of it shooting. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timqwe Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 To clear this up... those cities with those mass shootings and murders have nothing to do with gun laws... strict gun laws.. or relaxed guns law... it has nothing to do with it. that's what happens when you have a dense population of poverty in confined areas and a mass amount of people who have embraced a violent culture. there's all kinds of trailer, hillbilly, livin in the woods poverty people... but they aren't very likely to get into shootouts with their neighbors over what colors they're wearing. we need a massive culture change. right now the media is imprinting deranged school shooting activity and it's being advertised to a bunch of kids who begin to fantasize about extracting revenge on people who make fun of them, pick on em, disagree with em... you know why there's so many mass shootings? because it's front page news, constantly. it's getting imprinted into people's brains. the media, the internet, music, movies, games, all that shit plays a role to some degree. combine that with mental instability, dementia, or very hurt or sick individuals... throw it in a shaker and shake her all about and boom. some people come out of it shooting. European countries have the same Internet, music, movies and games. And mental illnesses exist here too. Why are massacres not as prevalent here? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 So London is deadlier than NYC -- things that make you go hummm https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/london-murder-rate-overtakes-new-york-for-first-time-ever-after-spate-of-fatal-stabbings-and-a3803566.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timqwe Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 So London is deadlier than NYC -- things that make you go hummm https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/london-murder-rate-overtakes-new-york-for-first-time-ever-after-spate-of-fatal-stabbings-and-a3803566.html USA is way more deadly than UK, things that make you go hummmmhttp://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timqwe Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 So London is deadlier than NYC -- things that make you go hummm https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/london-murder-rate-overtakes-new-york-for-first-time-ever-after-spate-of-fatal-stabbings-and-a3803566.html Also, that's only the month February, which saw an unusual uptick. In March London had one more homicide. Over the last year New York more than doubled Londen in homicides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJMitchell Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Come to Melbourne, it's pretty safe here. Someone might get shot every now and then but they're usually a bikie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 European countries have the same Internet, music, movies and games. And mental illnesses exist here too. Why are massacres not as prevalent here? Access to firearms obviously enables crazy people to get a hold of em and use em. You combine all those European countries together and you might have the same population numbers as the United States... 3rd most populated country in world. IIRC Germany is the only country in Europe (not counting Russia) that is in the top 15 most populated countries in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timqwe Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Access to firearms obviously enables crazy people to get a hold of em and use em. You combine all those European countries together and you might have the same population numbers as the United States... 3rd most populated country in world. IIRC Germany is the only country in Europe (not counting Russia) that is in the top 15 most populated countries in the world. But per capita it happens a lot less too... And not just mass shootings, total mass violence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 But per capita it happens a lot less too... And not just mass shootings, total mass violence Culture and population. Thug Life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 now this is insane -- they break into his home, he fights back to defend himself and his property and is arrest for murder -- unreal http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5576905/Homeowner-78-arrested-burglar-stabbed-death-break-in.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzypants Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Firstly the daily mail is a particularly shit newspaper. I wouldn't recommend it as a reputable source of information. Second if this is followed: Guidelines introduced in 2005 allow people to protect themselves 'in the heat of the moment' including using an object as a weapon. They can also stop an intruder running off, for example by tackling them to the ground. There is no specific definition of 'reasonable force' and it is said to depend on the circumstances. Government guidance states that if a person 'only did what you honestly thought was necessary at the time, this would provide strong evidence that you acted within the law'. Then he should be ok. I assume as someone has been hurt/killed they need to investigate the circumstances behind it. Thirdly if he's 78 and taking on 2 intruders he must be a tough old dude! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 There is no specific definition of 'reasonable force' and it is said to depend on the circumstances. Government guidance states that if a person 'only did what you honestly thought was necessary at the time, this would provide strong evidence that you acted within the law'. Then he should be ok. I assume as someone has been hurt/killed they need to investigate the circumstances behind it. Thirdly if he's 78 and taking on 2 intruders he must be a tough old dude! Wow what a way to leave someone out to hang and be decide on how you feel at the time -- what you feel and someone else feels is "necessary at the time" is just a stupid way to law -- you might not feel that is was "necessary at the time" but him being 78 yrs old probably does feel it was "necessary at the time" -- what a way to leave charges up to how a judge feels at the time, lmao -- on last part i give the guy props, a 78 yr old man that fought back and won against 2 attackers but now might end up in prison defending himself -- what a joke dude is a hero and one less crook piece of shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Wow what a way to leave someone out to hang and be decide on how you feel at the time -- what you feel and someone else feels is "necessary at the time" is just a stupid way to law -- you might not feel that is was "necessary at the time" but him being 78 yrs old probably does feel it was "necessary at the time" -- what a way to leave charges up to how a judge feels at the time, lmao -- on last part i give the guy props, a 78 yr old man that fought back and won against 2 attackers but now might end up in prison defending himself -- what a joke dude is a hero and one less crook piece of shit It would be a shitty situation. Could happen in the U.S. though. Sometimes in the U.S. it allows people to get away with killing another on that 'stand your ground' shit. Not sure how other countries work, but in American the worst part about getting arrested (even if the charges are BS and will get dropped...) is you're getting kidnapped and held for ransom by the government. and you have to sit in a cell for X amount of time or pay the ransom fee to get released. There's a lot of shit that don't make the news and the government would prefer 'stand your ground' cases not to become public because there's too many potential blurry lines involved and it'll get racial really quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timqwe Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 I don't see the big fuzz. It's how it works in basically every country. You kill someone, they'll arrest you and take your statement, and if you don't seem like you are a danger to society they'll release you, possibly on bail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itakebrides Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Firstly the daily mail is a particularly shit newspaper. I wouldn't recommend it as a reputable source of information. lol reminds me of a sarcastic funny song about then .Sorry for derailing the thread http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX1CSSZa1v0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/world/2018/05/16/off-duty-cop-mom-takes-out-gunman-school/614770002/ ^^^ Brazil https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/05/16/dixon-illinois-school-resource-officer-thwarts-mass-shooting/615519002/ ^^ Illinois, USA again, til you've been in a situation where you've needed one or used one to protect yourself or others, your ignorance is bliss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timqwe Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/world/2018/05/16/off-duty-cop-mom-takes-out-gunman-school/614770002/ ^^^ Brazil https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/05/16/dixon-illinois-school-resource-officer-thwarts-mass-shooting/615519002/ ^^ Illinois, USA again, til you've been in a situation where you've needed one or used one to protect yourself or others, your ignorance is bliss. So an off-duty and an on-duty cop. Yeah, those are people I trust with a weapon. Every random civilian? Hell nah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timqwe Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Great week to bring new life into this thread, right Carter? https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/18/us/texas-school-shooting/index.html Wonder where "the good guy with a gun" was 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Great week to bring new life into this thread, right Carter? https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/18/us/texas-school-shooting/index.html Wonder where "the good guy with a gun" was they are not allowed by law to be on school grounds -- remember only law abiding people obey the laws -- criminals and crazies dont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timqwe Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 they are not allowed by law to be on school grounds -- remember only law abiding people obey the laws -- criminals and crazies dont There was a school police officer in school that's now in critical condition, wasn't he armed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 There was a school police officer in school that's now in critical condition, wasn't he armed? yes but i took the comment to be towards non-police having guns normal citizens being school teachers or other workers there also wow one school guard that im sure the student knew was the only guard he could simply walk up to the guard and shoot him first with the pistol he had, the guard wouldn't think any different than a student walking up to ask something probably -- he hid the sawed off shotgun under his trench coat which they said he always wore -- one person to guard an entire school with so many entries and exits also thats like having one guard protecting fort knox -- knowing only one armed guard makes it easy still Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylib Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Do you recommend a squad? A platoon? A company? One with combat controller attached to it, for close air support? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timqwe Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 yes but i took the comment to be towards non-police having guns normal citizens being school teachers or other workers there also wow one school guard that im sure the student knew was the only guard he could simply walk up to the guard and shoot him first with the pistol he had, the guard wouldn't think any different than a student walking up to ask something probably -- he hid the sawed off shotgun under his trench coat which they said he always wore -- one person to guard an entire school with so many entries and exits also thats like having one guard protecting fort knox -- knowing only one armed guard makes it easy still He didn't walk up to the guard though. The guard got shot after the shooting began. Just seems like a lot easier to just bit let people have guns, instead of having an entire army in every school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timqwe Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 Also, there was a second guard, that although he didn't get hurt, also didn't manage to prevent THE DEATHS OF 10 PEOPLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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