Bad Luck (Learning Speed)

[gwad12345]

fellas fellas... both your calculations are horribly wrong... you forget to factor in the hiddens boost (+30 * 3) Oki, continue the fight.

I'm not actually making any calculations. I'm just stating a statistical principle and proving gamblers' fallacy incorrect. Adding 30 to 3 of the random numbers has no effect on this whatsoever.

[GBK16]

Why couldn't this thread have been around when I was doing Maths exams, then I could easily claim I was on MMA Tycoon to study

[Rambo]

 

I have tried to explain all of the mathematical principles to you, there is only so much I can say. I can tell you have some vague idea on the law of large numbers but have absolutely no idea when it applies. I encourage you to test your principle at a casino and report to us how much money you lose.

 

I make a living gambling. It's a rather effective method to use. Blackjack it doesn't apply, but roulette is the best game to play and use the logic Madness and myself are pointing out.

[Bwang]

No one makes money on roulette in the long run, only the casino.

[itakebrides]

 

I make a living gambling. It's a rather effective method to use. Blackjack it doesn't apply, but roulette is the best game to play and use the logic Madness and myself are pointing out.

highly doubt it .Nobody can make money at roulette .The maths always against you .I do you the system( the one your on about) if i messing about killing time let say reds comes up 7 times in a row i start betting black until it comes up doubling my bet each time.I might make a profit doing it for a short time but it only takes one night for red to let say 20 times in a row for me to lose all my profit and a hell of a lot of my own money .so yeah i get your system but math always against you . I know what your saying o yeah odds of that happening or pretty low .000055% but it will happen the longer you play.so my advice is quite now while your ahead.

 

only 2 ways i heard of people winning was looking for a unbalance wheel and using a laser and a computer but the casinos or smart to this now .

[gwad12345]

 

I make a living gambling. It's a rather effective method to use. Blackjack it doesn't apply, but roulette is the best game to play and use the logic Madness and myself are pointing out.

 

Gamblers fallacy was first contrived after an incident in a casino involving, you guessed it, roulette. It is also known as the Monte carlo fallacy after the Monte carlo casino..

 

The most famous example of the gambler’s fallacy occurred in a game of roulette at the Monte Carlo Casino on August 18, 1913,^[5] when the ball fell in black 26 times in a row. This was an extremely uncommon occurrence, although no more nor less common than any of the other 67,108,863 sequences of 26 red or black. Gamblers lost millions of francs betting against black, reasoning incorrectly that the streak was causing an "imbalance" in the randomness of the wheel, and that it had to be followed by a long streak of red

 

If you think you found a way to beat the casino doing anything other than card counting you are seriously mistaken.

 

Madness at least has some idea about what hes talking about, he is just confused. You have no idea.

[Rambo]

 

Gamblers fallacy was first contrived after an incident in a casino involving, you guessed it, roulette. It is also known as the Monte carlo fallacy after the Monte carlo casino..

 

The most famous example of the gambler’s fallacy occurred in a game of roulette at the Monte Carlo Casino on August 18, 1913,^[5] when the ball fell in black 26 times in a row. This was an extremely uncommon occurrence, although no more nor less common than any of the other 67,108,863 sequences of 26 red or black. Gamblers lost millions of francs betting against black, reasoning incorrectly that the streak was causing an "imbalance" in the randomness of the wheel, and that it had to be followed by a long streak of red

 

If you think you found a way to beat the casino doing anything other than card counting you are seriously mistaken.

 

Madness at least has some idea about what hes talking about, he is just confused. You have no idea.

 

If that's the impression you got from my comment, whatever. As for the 1913 incident, you don't think the table might of been rigged there bud? Think about it. Not that it's impossible, I'm sure it happens daily, but I wouldn't trust anything pre-1970's.

 

I'd consider myself a semi-professional black jack player if there was such thing. For the last five years or so I've made between 20-50K every year from blackjack alone. Of course it's considerably less after taxes. Casino is simply luck. Regardless of how good you are at counting cards or playing the odds, luck will make or break you. I've never lost substantial money on the roulette table. I don't play roulette frequently, I watch it for 30 mins or so, than go heavy on odd/even and black/red. I don't bet on numbers. If black/even comes three or four times in a row, I go red/odd. If there's inconsistencies, I'll just play odd/even or red/black. The majority of the time I win, I'm doing something right.

 

Or maybe Jesus just loves me, and he don't love you other people who frequent the casino. I guess I'm just blessed, that might make me better than you - in Jesus's eyes. Oh thank dear lord baby Jesus for my Irish luck.

[Rambo]

I'll use my personal tycoon experience, or a couple others I've witnessed, with slow learners that I remember:

 

Don Marciano
++'s Solid Chin, KO Power, Confidence, 116 IQ, Heart
---'s Injury Hidden, Learning Speed

Pluto Palhares
++'s Granite Chin, Confidence, 146 IQ, Heart, Rarely Injured, Rarely Bleeds
---'s Learning Speed, and maybe KO power but he was built as a grappler and has 13 KO's

Qing Kong

++'s Granite Chin, Heart
---'s Learning Speed, Confidence, Injury Hidden

Kajun Puno

++'s Granite Chin, Confidence, KO Power

---'s Learning Speed, Injury Hidden

Taj al Din
++'s Granite Chin, KO power, heart, confidence
---'s Learning Speed, Injury Hidden

 

 

another slow learner off the top of my head would be Fidel Puno - but he was built back in the day and not as an 18 year old project

[ArtieBanks]

I think it is random to be honest, i have seen slow learners who turned out to be great fighters (al Din and Ryo come to mind), and fast learners who turned out to be great fighters (Roman Kersikov had a 7.15 learning speed). I have seen slow learners have awful hiddens and fast learners have awful hiddens. Some people have their superstitions, Eli Manning once done something with a casino chip and done it all through the play offs and won a superbowl, was he correct in his method of madness? You can't exactly argue against it, he won the superbowl.

[Madness]

The roulette thing is gambler's fallacy and the 1st real time you used the phrase correctly. Any time you claim something is due you are relying on the fallacy. There is no cosmic force of balance. Just because you lost 10 in a row doesn't mean you are due when the tables are stacked against you. When you are betting one roll at a time there is nothing that will change the probability on the next roll aside from shaving the dice. Even if you roll 100 6's in a row you still have a 1 in 6 chance on the next roll.

 

The over all hidden skills of your fighter on the other hand are completely different. I am not counting one particular skill, and there is actually a hard set formula. You take a million fighters and their over all worth will be a hard bell curve with a very insignificant number on the outer edges and almost everyone else in the middle. That is how probability works. It is not the same thing. I also explained earlier I ignored the +30 for simplicity sake. Obviously, that would be added on at the end unless you already had 150 in that skill in which case it would be wasted. Also, I read somewhere Intelligence has a minimum level to keep fighters from being retarded. Someone else could verify that, but it is my understanding you cannot get a 1 in intelligence. Again, I ignored it to keep things simple.

 

If I rolled 10 numbers. Just making them up off the top of my head. Actually, let's make it 8. No one gives a crap about experience and popularity.

150/80/25/130/105/70/148/32

All the numbers are hard set in stone even though you have no clue what they are. Statistically speaking chances are he is average over all give or take a couple hundred points. Some highs and lows, but 99 times out of 100 he will have an over all total points you would call average and we likely still have never seen an extreme outer range in this game. The chances are that much insignificant. Suddenly revealing the 150 in your 1st test for learning speed does not mean any of the other values changed. They were already set in stone. You just haven't revealed them yet. It does not increase your chances everything else is higher. In fact, you already know that it is almost impossible to have a fighter that is great in everything. Good in everything is possible, but great is a one in millions chance ( depending on your point value definition of great ). Therefore, all you really did was reveal your highest stat. The trick is finding out if the bad scores are in things you care about or not. I don't care if he isn't popular or experienced. Experience grows anyways. A good chin and heart on the other hand would be nice. Unless you are banking on a statistical anomaly this should be common sense.

[Madness]

I think it is random to be honest, i have seen slow learners who turned out to be great fighters (al Din and Ryo come to mind), and fast learners who turned out to be great fighters (Roman Kersikov had a 7.15 learning speed). I have seen slow learners have awful hiddens and fast learners have awful hiddens. Some people have their superstitions, Eli Manning once done something with a casino chip and done it all through the play offs and won a superbowl, was he correct in his method of madness? You can't exactly argue against it, he won the superbowl.

I'd say the only way he was correct was that is acted as a mental crutch that may have had a placebo effect on his abilities.

[Rambo]

I think it is random to be honest, i have seen slow learners who turned out to be great fighters (al Din and Ryo come to mind), and fast learners who turned out to be great fighters (Roman Kersikov had a 7.15 learning speed). I have seen slow learners have awful hiddens and fast learners have awful hiddens. Some people have their superstitions, Eli Manning once done something with a casino chip and done it all through the play offs and won a superbowl, was he correct in his method of madness? You can't exactly argue against it, he won the superbowl.

 

Of course it's completely random. I'm just saying why I don't cut slow learners, and how slow learners have personally turned out for me. I don't know how I got drawn into a gambling debate.

[ArtieBanks]

 

Of course it's completely random. I'm just saying why I don't cut slow learners, and how slow learners have personally turned out for me. I don't know how I got drawn into a gambling debate.

 

Yeah, my statement was more derived at the fact your method has worked more times than not, its more of a superstition than anything of substance or mathematics, but if it works you can't exactly question it because it is working.

[Rambo]

There's this intangible factor of life we call "luck" - be it good, bad, or a matter of perspective - that impacts all things probable and unpredictable.

[gwad12345]

There's this intangible factor of life we call "luck" - be it good, bad, or a matter of perspective - that impacts all things probable and unpredictable.

 

So the next time I apply for a job can I rub your shiny red head?

[ArtieBanks]

 

So the next time I apply for a job can I rub your shiny red head?

 

I don't think Chris is into that, Mannetosen however might, he might even give you a job doing it.

[Rambo]

 

So the next time I apply for a job can I rub your shiny red head?

 

Yes but it only works if a female genetically connected to you rubs my shiny red balls at the same time. It's known as Simultaneous Irish Luck Infusion.

 

 

P.S. if you learned how to gamble, maybe you could become your own boss

[juret]

Most of my fighters are around 4 i learning speed. I keep them anyways and try devolp em. To sit and kick and employ new fighters all the time is like cheating for me.

[Caleb613]

 

Yes but it only works if a female genetically connected to you rubs my shiny red balls at the same time. It's known as Simultaneous Irish Luck Infusion.

 

 

P.S. if you learned how to gamble, maybe you could become your own boss

This burn actually made me do some sort of bass face when I read it

[Scooby]

I'll use my personal tycoon experience, or a couple others I've witnessed, with slow learners that I remember:

 

Don Marciano

++'s Solid Chin, KO Power, Confidence, 116 IQ, Heart

---'s Injury Hidden, Learning Speed

 

Pluto Palhares

++'s Granite Chin, Confidence, 146 IQ, Heart, Rarely Injured, Rarely Bleeds

---'s Learning Speed, and maybe KO power but he was built as a grappler and has 13 KO's

 

Qing Kong

++'s Granite Chin, Heart

---'s Learning Speed, Confidence, Injury Hidden

 

Kajun Puno

++'s Granite Chin, Confidence, KO Power

---'s Learning Speed, Injury Hidden

 

Taj al Din

++'s Granite Chin, KO power, heart, confidence

---'s Learning Speed, Injury Hidden

 

 

another slow learner off the top of my head would be Fidel Puno - but he was built back in the day and not as an 18 year old project

 

Most of the ++ hiddens are heavenly on these guys

[Rambo]

 

Most of the ++ hiddens are heavenly on these guys

 

Two of them reached #1 P4P, one of them reached #2 P4P, one was #1 P4P KT fighter for 12 months, and the other one is still young, like 22 or 23 years old, but he'll have no problem cracking the top 100 P4P even with me forgetting to set sliders and training.

[Scooby]

Another today showed 4.2 trained and went to 1-

[Bwang]

Bad luck mate! Just a bad run of random results. Hopefully a good run will be round the corner. 4 of my last 5 have been good learners.

[Scooby]

So, my luck has changed! My last creation was a 7.1 learner and my island fighter, I havent tested his speed but shows improvement better than any island fighter or 25YO ive created!

[Kronix]

Great for you scooby, let see if he can manage not to have a glass chin and a broken heart