The New Players Guide to Effective Fighter Building

[Erik]

erm.. Nate Diaz having shitty boxing and some BJJ sounds quite strange. I know it hardly matters but still.. the guy has insane boxing skills. I saw only 1-2 mistakes(if u can call them that way) he was doing in the Cerrone fight but he broke records that night with that "shitty" boxing so...

 

The OP is from 2009 when Diaz boxing was significantly shittier than it is now.

[Guest]

Great guide PSUMike, and I'd like to also thank everyone else for what they added in. As a new manager, things can get a bit overwhelming. So thanks for helping out

[Guest]

The noobs guide to fighter building.

 

Other experienced users can feel to contribute and weigh in their opinions. I have enough fights under my belt that I think I know how to build fighters and I’ve been pretty successful. So I am creating this guide to help some newer users who may not know what they are doing. Now in all cases, conditioning and strength are very important so I am omitting them from essentials. But, on the same coin, they are very easy to train up. So I like to start my guys with 1 strength point and 10 in conditioning and spend a few weeks training them up. I also feel it is beneficial to have a moderate understanding of clinchwork. I like to give all my fighters some clinchwork, but other users may disagree. So, I am also going to omit clinchwork from my guide. I also think its best to have the fast learner trait for all fighters. So I am omitting that as well.

There are several ways to build fighters. Some work, some don’t. This guide should give you a pretty good understanding of how to build a good fighter. I am adding examples from in game fighters.

 

Styles that work:

 

Chuck Liddell (my personal favorite and most successful) – This is your standard sprawl and brawl boxer. They require good boxing and wrestling in the main stats. On top of that, good punches, takedown defense, striking defense, and defensive grappling are essential for success. In the physical stats, agility for the striking and balance for the takedown defense will help your guy tremendously. Recommended hidden stats: Natural KO power and Granite Chin

Rufus Lee

 

Cro Cop – This is your Chuck Liddell with Muay Thai instead of boxing. High MT and wrestling are essential. Good kicks, punches, td defense, striking defense, and defensive grappling will keep the fight on the feet and your shin in your opponent’s jaw. Agility, balance, and flexibility are essential. Recommended hidden stats: Natural KO power and Granite chin

Gay Pride (this is an early stage Cro Cop)

 

Jake Rosholt – This is your typical one dimensional wrestler. Probably something like wonderful wrestling with a blue belt. Don’t be afraid to put a little in his boxing as well. In order to pull this off, you need high striking defense, takedown offense and defense, as well as ground and pound or submissions (one or the other to start and build the other in the long run) and defensive grappling. The best physicals to have are speed and balance. Recommended hidden stats: Granite chin and big heart

Alexander Karelin

 

Damien Maia – Your BJJ stud who knows nothing else. There is only one, ONE way to pull this off successfully. High BJJ and the rest in wrestling…any other way is a recipe for failure. Striking defense, takedown offense, submissions, and defensive grappling are all needed to make a Maia. As far as physicals, flexibility and balance will help a lot. Recommended hidden stats: Granite chin and big heart

Wade Wilson

 

BJ Penn – This is your boxer/BJJ player mix. This one is a bit tricky and somewhat complicated but very effective if you can pull it off successfully. I like to go with high level punches, striking defense, submissions, and defensive grappling. You can also put some into takedown defense and build up his wrestling in case you fight a Maia. For this one, you’ll need agility and flexibility. Recommended hidden stats: KO power and big heart/granite chin

Layne Staley

 

Matt Hughes – This fighter is a top position grappler but more multi-faceted than a Rosholt. You can probably do it with maybe respectable wrestling and proficient BJJ or something of the sort. In order to pull this off, I suggest good striking defense, takedowns, either GNP or subs (I prefer submissions), and defensive grappling. Physical stats needed are speed and balance. If you go for subs over GNP, add some flexibility as well. Recommended hidden stats: Granite chin and big heart

Steve Austin

 

Anderson Silva – You guessed it. This is a MT/BJJ player. Maybe Pele would be a better fighter to describe this style but I am not sure how many people know who Jose “Pele” Landi Jons is. But I digress. Here’s how to pull this one off. I like to start them with somewhere around proficient MT and BJJ and then I like to build their boxing. Good kicks, knees, punches, striking defense, submissions, and defensive grappling are needed. You can also throw in some takedown defense and build his wrestling in case you fight a Maia but that is a matter of personal preference. Agility and flexibility are needed to be effective. Recommended hidden stats: Natural KO power and granite chin

Harry Kalas

 

Josh Koscheck - I am not too familiar with this style as I have never created one of these. But, this is essentially a wrestler with hands. You are going to need high boxing and wrestling, much like a Liddell but you need some other secondary stats that a Liddell wouldn't need. Punches, striking defense, takedown offense and defense, and defensive grappling. As far as physicals go, you'll need agility for striking, speed for the takedowns, and balance to stuff the takedowns and to maintain top control. This is particularly effective due to its versitility. Recommended hidden stats: Natural KO power and either heart or granite chin.

Bulk Bogan

 

Styles you should avoid:

I am not going to give examples because that has potential to embarrass managers.

 

Michael Bisping – These guys are mediocre at everything but in reality, they suck in general. They can’t KO people (unless they suck), they can’t sub people (unless they suck), and as soon as they fight a specialized, properly built fighter, they get destroyed. Personally, when I see I am fighting a Bisping, I know I am going to win. Now this is a very controversial topic because some other respected managers will disagree with me and say this is an effective style. I say look at the top 10 P4P and tell me how many Bispings are on that list.

 

Nate Diaz – High level BJJ and shitty boxing…nothing more. As a general rule of thumb, when you build a high level BJJ player, make sure you give them wrestling. Otherwise, they are going to get KOd virtually every time they fight.

 

For those curious, my team consists of a Hughes, a Maia, 2 BJ Penns, a Cro Cop, and 5 Liddells.

 

Other managers feel free to add your opinions.

Hi mate,

Really interesting post. How would be Jon Jones? I'm sure everyone asked you before. And GSP?

Thanks mate.

[Guest]

Just for the record, Diaz's boxing isn't shitty.

 

 

Anyway this is my Nick Diaz I've just started.

 

http://mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=222235

 

I don't waste anything on wrestling because if somebody is an all out wrestler, I'm not going to be able to stop it regardless unless i make my BJJ worse and boxing worse so I save it.

 

I just have great hands and a very scary ground game consisting of wonderful (atm) flexibility and wonderful (atm) submissions along with respectable defensive grappling. If you take me down it's a recipe disaster for yourself, but if you're a striker, you're obviously going to have wrestling to match that to be a sprawl and brawler or either well rounded, in that case, my hands will be better because I haven't wasted points, and my ground game will be better if you use that wrestling if you get me. So if he doesn't have good wrestling and just all out striking which nobody is, I'll just pull guard and finish it.

[duphus]

Just for the record, Diaz's boxing isn't shitty.

 

 

Anyway this is my Nick Diaz I've just started.

 

http://mmatycoon.com....php?FID=222235

 

I don't waste anything on wrestling because if somebody is an all out wrestler, I'm not going to be able to stop it regardless unless i make my BJJ worse and boxing worse so I save it.

 

I just have great hands and a very scary ground game consisting of wonderful (atm) flexibility and wonderful (atm) submissions along with respectable defensive grappling. If you take me down it's a recipe disaster for yourself, but if you're a striker, you're obviously going to have wrestling to match that to be a sprawl and brawler or either well rounded, in that case, my hands will be better because I haven't wasted points, and my ground game will be better if you use that wrestling if you get me. So if he doesn't have good wrestling and just all out striking which nobody is, I'll just pull guard and finish it.

 

let us know how this works for ya. I got 10 to 1 odds that he looses his first match tomorrow against the ground guy he's matched with.

[Guest]

 

technically speaking, nate/nick diaz does have shitty boxing. their technique is horrible but their physical gifts allow it to be effective. by game standards they probably have remarkable-wonderful boxing

 

Physical gifts? Their agility is terrible (especially nate) and nates speed, they're not particularly strong either and nates balance sucks. Gsp is the most physically gifted along with Ben Henderson, jbj, aldo

[Guest]

 

 

Physical gifts? Their agility is terrible (especially nate) and nates speed, they're not particularly strong either and nates balance sucks. Gsp is the most physically gifted along with Ben Henderson, jbj, aldo

 

This technique is beautiful, their boxing may not be amazing like the way nate throws his punches all light and like slaps, whereas nick does actually throw neat punches and combos, nick is a great boxer anyway

[Ross007]

The noobs guide to fighter building.

 

Other experienced users can feel to contribute and weigh in their opinions. I have enough fights under my belt that I think I know how to build fighters and I’ve been pretty successful. So I am creating this guide to help some newer users who may not know what they are doing. Now in all cases, conditioning and strength are very important so I am omitting them from essentials. But, on the same coin, they are very easy to train up. So I like to start my guys with 1 strength point and 10 in conditioning and spend a few weeks training them up. I also feel it is beneficial to have a moderate understanding of clinchwork. I like to give all my fighters some clinchwork, but other users may disagree. So, I am also going to omit clinchwork from my guide. I also think its best to have the fast learner trait for all fighters. So I am omitting that as well.

There are several ways to build fighters. Some work, some don’t. This guide should give you a pretty good understanding of how to build a good fighter. I am adding examples from in game fighters.

 

Styles that work:

 

Chuck Liddell (my personal favorite and most successful) – This is your standard sprawl and brawl boxer. They require good boxing and wrestling in the main stats. On top of that, good punches, takedown defense, striking defense, and defensive grappling are essential for success. In the physical stats, agility for the striking and balance for the takedown defense will help your guy tremendously. Recommended hidden stats: Natural KO power and Granite Chin

Rufus Lee

 

Cro Cop – This is your Chuck Liddell with Muay Thai instead of boxing. High MT and wrestling are essential. Good kicks, punches, td defense, striking defense, and defensive grappling will keep the fight on the feet and your shin in your opponent’s jaw. Agility, balance, and flexibility are essential. Recommended hidden stats: Natural KO power and Granite chin

Gay Pride (this is an early stage Cro Cop)

 

Jake Rosholt – This is your typical one dimensional wrestler. Probably something like wonderful wrestling with a blue belt. Don’t be afraid to put a little in his boxing as well. In order to pull this off, you need high striking defense, takedown offense and defense, as well as ground and pound or submissions (one or the other to start and build the other in the long run) and defensive grappling. The best physicals to have are speed and balance. Recommended hidden stats: Granite chin and big heart

Alexander Karelin

 

Damien Maia – Your BJJ stud who knows nothing else. There is only one, ONE way to pull this off successfully. High BJJ and the rest in wrestling…any other way is a recipe for failure. Striking defense, takedown offense, submissions, and defensive grappling are all needed to make a Maia. As far as physicals, flexibility and balance will help a lot. Recommended hidden stats: Granite chin and big heart

Wade Wilson

 

BJ Penn – This is your boxer/BJJ player mix. This one is a bit tricky and somewhat complicated but very effective if you can pull it off successfully. I like to go with high level punches, striking defense, submissions, and defensive grappling. You can also put some into takedown defense and build up his wrestling in case you fight a Maia. For this one, you’ll need agility and flexibility. Recommended hidden stats: KO power and big heart/granite chin

Layne Staley

 

Matt Hughes – This fighter is a top position grappler but more multi-faceted than a Rosholt. You can probably do it with maybe respectable wrestling and proficient BJJ or something of the sort. In order to pull this off, I suggest good striking defense, takedowns, either GNP or subs (I prefer submissions), and defensive grappling. Physical stats needed are speed and balance. If you go for subs over GNP, add some flexibility as well. Recommended hidden stats: Granite chin and big heart

Steve Austin

 

Anderson Silva – You guessed it. This is a MT/BJJ player. Maybe Pele would be a better fighter to describe this style but I am not sure how many people know who Jose “Pele” Landi Jons is. But I digress. Here’s how to pull this one off. I like to start them with somewhere around proficient MT and BJJ and then I like to build their boxing. Good kicks, knees, punches, striking defense, submissions, and defensive grappling are needed. You can also throw in some takedown defense and build his wrestling in case you fight a Maia but that is a matter of personal preference. Agility and flexibility are needed to be effective. Recommended hidden stats: Natural KO power and granite chin

Harry Kalas

 

Josh Koscheck - I am not too familiar with this style as I have never created one of these. But, this is essentially a wrestler with hands. You are going to need high boxing and wrestling, much like a Liddell but you need some other secondary stats that a Liddell wouldn't need. Punches, striking defense, takedown offense and defense, and defensive grappling. As far as physicals go, you'll need agility for striking, speed for the takedowns, and balance to stuff the takedowns and to maintain top control. This is particularly effective due to its versitility. Recommended hidden stats: Natural KO power and either heart or granite chin.

Bulk Bogan

 

Styles you should avoid:

I am not going to give examples because that has potential to embarrass managers.

 

Michael Bisping – These guys are mediocre at everything but in reality, they suck in general. They can’t KO people (unless they suck), they can’t sub people (unless they suck), and as soon as they fight a specialized, properly built fighter, they get destroyed. Personally, when I see I am fighting a Bisping, I know I am going to win. Now this is a very controversial topic because some other respected managers will disagree with me and say this is an effective style. I say look at the top 10 P4P and tell me how many Bispings are on that list.

 

Nate Diaz – High level BJJ and shitty boxing…nothing more. As a general rule of thumb, when you build a high level BJJ player, make sure you give them wrestling. Otherwise, they are going to get KOd virtually every time they fight.

 

For those curious, my team consists of a Hughes, a Maia, 2 BJ Penns, a Cro Cop, and 5 Liddells.

 

Other managers feel free to add your opinions.

 

how do you get a jon jones?

[THT]

Jones

 

MT + Wrestling - Just train him harder than a Cro-Cop

[warlord]

i think we need an updated version of this.

[CardiffWanderer]

i think we need an updated version of this.

 

The problem here is how do you go about it?

 

You cannot truly design a fighter at 25 to be like a MMA superstar. You could create blueprints how to build and then train them to be x, y and z but then that takes a lot of the discovery away from the game. At the same time, a general idea how to go towards one direction or another has to be a good thing to get people up to speed. Its a real doozy of a problem.

[warlord]

The problem here is how do you go about it?

 

You cannot truly design a fighter at 25 to be like a MMA superstar. You could create blueprints how to build and then train them to be x, y and z but then that takes a lot of the discovery away from the game. At the same time, a general idea how to go towards one direction or another has to be a good thing to get people up to speed. Its a real doozy of a problem.

Ok, dont know what i was thinking but you have your point there

[CardiffWanderer]

Ok, dont know what i was thinking but you have your point there

 

At some point, an update does need to be provided. Its just a more complicated undertaking than when this was originally written.

[Guest]

seems cool .. thanks !

[kingsimba]

just wanted to say thanks for the help!

[Izos]

Great guide for a newbee like me. I have just created a Liddell type. 18 yo. Guess he need a lot of training now.

And in some seasons away I am going to know if I did everything right.

[DaveBarrera]

I don`t think a Lidell can have any future in the game but let`s see if you can prove i`m wrong Good luck!

[Guest]

What's wrong with this build in your opinion? I think that it's one of the best so i'm curious.

[thb]

I don`t think a Lidell can have any future in the game but let`s see if you can prove i`m wrong Good luck!

 

that's the best build possible imo

[DaveBarrera]

I agree with you 2, the Liddell was one of the best builts in the game because in the past build a boxer with some wrestling used to be enough to beat a lot of fighters but it needs to be updated because the recent changes to the game. With the new skill set a pure Liddell may be punished in 2 ways: going to the clinch and going to the ground, because to have high boxing is not enough if you don`t have good clinchwork and even if you have takedown defence and balance this not means you will not be in the ground if your foe have good wrestling skills and in the ground defensive grappling is not enough anymore against the new transitions skills.

 

So my point is yes a Liddell was maybe the best built, but a pure boxer has no future in the game since the new skill set was stablished, now you will need to train some clinchwork, transitions and scapes if you want to achieve success with a Liddel but this way looks more as a Koscheck built don`t you think?

 

Is just as in real life, you just can`t succes in MMA if don`t expand your skills set.

[handgrenaide]

Awesome guide but Nate Diaz shitty boxing... might want to update that lil hiccup

[gwad12345]

With all the changes that this game has undergone how relevant is the guide nowadays?

[thb]

With all the changes that this game has undergone how relevant is the guide nowadays?

 

it's still relevant because this features all the different possible fighter builds that can be successful in this game, it still gives a good general look on fighter building

[warlord]

 

it's still relevant because this features all the different possible fighter builds that can be successful in this game, it still gives a good general look on fighter building

agree with this... This was one of the few threads that i used for some time when i first started playing the game

[DaveBarrera]

With all the changes that this game has undergone how relevant is the guide nowadays?

 

I really think is very out of date!