Timmy Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 you need to watch this. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UpIiIaC4kRA Watched it. Almost sounds like science doesn't it? I never understood why religionists pretend so hard to have science that backs up their fantasies when they ignore the basic rules of science. they've been attacking my faith from the beginning, asking questions saying i need to convince them and when i present answers with articles that quotes nobel-prize-winning scientists, they completely ignore it and keep attacking. The burden of proof is on you. Nobel prizes mean nothing. "Authority" doesn't necessarally make an opinion true. If I were to believe something just because a Nobel winner says so, I might as well beleive something just because the bible says so. And that would be stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 no not really you started this thread and then started trying to force your views on everyone that disagreed with you or had other thoughts -- its actually just the opposite of what your claiming also william lane craig is no nobel prize winning scientist -- he isnt even a scientist period so you just ignored everybody else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 you didn't understand, they said if just change one constant like the rate of expansion for just a little decimal point, the universe itself will not form. again theory -- and as stated above william lane craig is no nobel prize winning scientist -- he isnt even a scientist period Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 you didn't understand, they said if just change one constant like the rate of expansion for just a little decimal point, the universe itself will not form. I repeat... The cosmological constant couldn't be much different. If the energy density of the universe were too much more or less, you wouldn't be here to write about it. God or no god. This isn't evidence that god directed the constants, just that this is how our universe is. To use your analogy, a white ball means it's possible for humans to exist. If you're a human investigating the universe, don't be surprised to find a "white ball" result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 again theory so you're saying the astrophysicists that calculated these constants are wrong? i cant take this anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 I repeat... The cosmological constant couldn't be much different. If the energy density of the universe were too much more or less, you wouldn't be here to write about it. God or no god. This isn't evidence that god directed the constants, just that this is how our universe is. To use your analogy, a white ball means it's possible for humans to exist. If you're a human investigating the universe, don't be surprised to find a "white ball" result. did you watch the video? http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UpIiIaC4kRA you need logic to understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 so you're saying the astrophysicists that calculated these constants are wrong? i cant take this anymore. The physicist have calculated correctly. Any small change would rule out life, but this in no way supports god. What you have is a propaganda video ruling out possibilities that can't be ruled out and concluding "god done it". A bunch of out of context quotes from scientists ( and pseudo-scientists) mean nothing. Many scientists have used "design" and "god" metaphorically and lived to regret it when creationists quote them out of context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xanax Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 You guys ever mix so many drugs that you find yourself praying to something you don't believe in to help you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 did you watch the video? http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UpIiIaC4kRA you need logic to understand it. I've had it. You must be trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 please view with open-mind then evaluate or decide. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV8pHHTo94Y -- Wayne P. Allen -- not even a scientist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLQdd-JURjE -- Brad Harrub -- not even a scientist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynXwAo9V_pY -- Mary Higby Schweitzer -- Paleontology scientist -- no nobel prize winner not even close https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5wIcw7P2-o -- Kent E. Hovind -- not even a scientist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xYyHU5mRFo -- Carl Edward Baugh -- not even a scientist Don Patton -- not even a scientist David Lines -- not even a scientist the writers of the videos you provided below -- not one of them are noble prize winners -- only one of them is even a scientist period -- lmao Wayne P. Allen -- not even a scientist Brad Harrub -- not even a scientist Mary Higby Schweitzer -- Paleontology scientist -- no nobel prize winner not even close Kent E. Hovind -- not even a scientist last video clip Carl Edward Baugh -- not even a scientist Don Patton -- not even a scientist David Lines -- not even a scientist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 the writers of the videos you provided below -- not one of them are noble prize winners -- only one of them is even a scientist period -- lmao Wayne P. Allen -- not even a scientist Brad Harrub -- not even a scientist Mary Higby Schweitzer -- Paleontology scientist -- no nobel prize winner not even close Kent E. Hovind -- not even a scientist last video clip Carl Edward Baugh -- not even a scientist Don Patton -- not even a scientist David Lines -- not even a scientist watch the videos, not a single one has been debunked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 if you really are searching for truth, you would consider the facts not completely ignore them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xanax Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Facts are just widely accepted opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Facts are just widely accepted opinions.what? watch the videos he quoted. then tell me what facts are. but if information isnt important, dont bother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 if you really are searching for truth, you would consider the facts not completely ignore them. If you think your videos are convincing, you probably think Lenny McLean is the best manager in Tycoon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 if you really are searching for truth, you would consider the facts not completely ignore them. you said all were nobel prize winning scientist -- lmao -- none of them are -- and out of all the videos posted only one is any kind of scientist period -- all the others have agenda's and couple of them like Carl Edward Baugh even refused to show the man footsteps with dinosaur foot prints -- never showed nothing -- lmao -- what a joke -- you turned something i thought that could be serious into comedy central -- lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 you said all were nobel prize winning scientist -- lmao -- none of them are -- and out of all the videos posted only one is any kind of scientist period -- all the others have agenda's and couple of them like brad harrub even refused to show the man footsteps with dinosaur foot prints -- never showed nothing -- lmao -- what a joke -- you turned something i thought that could be serious into comedy central -- lmao http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UpIiIaC4kRA did you just completely ignore this video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenlow73 Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 wow, I go to bed and wake up and this thread still isn't locked? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 wow, I go to bed and wake up and this thread still isn't locked? nobody locks intelligent topics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UpIiIaC4kRA did you just completely ignore this video? yea i ignore it -- that guy isnt a scientist at all -- not even close to a scientist -- he is a Christian apologist -- this is a huge joke and funny as hell -- you havent proved anything but to be idiot really -- this whole thread your claiming scientist this scientist that -- none of them are scientist -- LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 believe what you want to believe. its all up to you like i always say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 believe what you want to believe. its all up to you like i always say. i will believe what i want -- what i wont believe is a bunch of salesman videos -- which is what all the videos you posted are salesman videos -- trying to sell you religion -- they weren't created or written by scientist as you claimed they were written by christian religious activist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 yea i ignore it -- that guy isnt a scientist at all -- not even close to a scientist -- he is a Christian apologist -- this is a huge joke and funny as hell -- you havent proved anything but to be idiot really -- this whole thread your claiming scientist this scientist that -- none of them are scientist -- LMAO just ignored what fred hoyle and paul davies said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/quotes.html just ignore what these people are saying, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 just ignored what fred hoyle and paul davies said. lmao -- and you continue to show idiocy -- fred hoyle was an Atheist turned Agnostic Deist who rejected the big bang theory -- which you say god made happen -- lmao -- i wish i hadnt posted in this thread cause i would lock it just to save you some face my side is hurting from laughing so much right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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