s3raphim Posted November 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UpIiIaC4kRA you need to watch this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UpIiIaC4kRA you need to watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1xWikoa6Dc you need to watch this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1xWikoa6Dc you need to watch this where are the names of scientists there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1xWikoa6Dc you need to watch this did you even bother to read the comments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 all it takes is simple logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 all it takes is simple logic. Thats kinda the point isnt it? The bible is simple way of life, God created it. The scientific way is not simple but it has so much proof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBK16 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Your logic of "everything has a beginning" makes no sense, because regardless of what is at the start, something would have had to create that. There is no such thing as Simple Logic when it comes to the matter of the beginning of the universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 i actually thought this thread would be interesting but he has turned it into a joke -- he creates the thread and ask but cant accept anyone elses thoughts or beliefs -- then says he can prove he is right but shows a couple of scientific theories which doesnt even state or show there is a god -- but says use logic -- well not much of anything in the bible is logical really but he just spins back to creation -- what a joke 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Arguing religion is pointless cause you are arguing over a belief that one can't prove 100% either way. It's like arguing with someone that swears they saw a ghost (just an example), how are you going to prove they did or didn't? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/645013/84364454.jpg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 something cannot come from nothing. and it has been proven that the universe had a beginning because of the recently discovered expansion rate. the cosmological constants are so unimagineably precise that from the big bang everything cant happen by chance imagine a lottery container with billions of black balls and the one white ball has to come out. thats how precise the creation was. The cosmological constant couldn't be much different. If the energy density of the universe were too much more or less, you wouldn't be here to write about it. God or no god. This isn't evidence that god directed the constants, just that this is how our universe is. To use your analogy, a white ball means it's possible for humans to exist. If you're a human investigating the universe, don't be surprised to find a "white ball" result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 I am with Duphus on this one. Believe whatever you like homie, more power to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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s3raphim Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 The cosmological constant couldn't be much different. If the energy density of the universe were too much more or less, you wouldn't be here to write about it. God or no god. This isn't evidence that god directed the constants, just that this is how our universe is. To use your analogy, a white ball means it's possible for humans to exist. If you're a human investigating the universe, don't be surprised to find a "white ball" result. you need to watch this. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UpIiIaC4kRA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Your logic of "everything has a beginning" makes no sense, because regardless of what is at the start, something would have had to create that. There is no such thing as Simple Logic when it comes to the matter of the beginning of the universe. you dont understand the logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwang Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 god is a concept... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xfTY8Wte4g great video, thanks john. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 i actually thought this thread would be interesting but he has turned it into a joke -- he creates the thread and ask but cant accept anyone elses thoughts or beliefs -- then says he can prove he is right but shows a couple of scientific theories which doesnt even state or show there is a god -- but says use logic -- well not much of anything in the bible is logical really but he just spins back to creation -- what a joke you just ignored what scientists said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UpIiIaC4kRA is it so hard to understand this that you cant stay on this topic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniConor Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Oh dear, get ready for a war. This is gonna be interesting Forget the word interesting, this thread is shit and not even worth your time reading. People keep trying to explain its about faith... But people continue anyway. You have your opinion, thank you for that. Now lets hear other peoples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UpIiIaC4kRA is it so hard to understand this that you cant stay on this topic? is it so hard to understand that isnt proof -- you keep saying the same crap over and over -- that is theory of that scientist -- and yes i do ignore some scientist cause not all of them are correct in their theories so what about the other plants and galaxies were those failed fine tuning experiments -- lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 they've been attacking my faith from the beginning, asking questions saying i need to convince them and when i present answers with articles that quotes nobel-prize-winning scientists, they completely ignore it and keep attacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 they've been attacking my faith from the beginning, asking questions saying i need to convince them and when i present answers with articles that quotes nobel-prize-winning scientists, they completely ignore it and keep attacking. no not really you started this thread and then started trying to force your views on everyone that disagreed with you or had other thoughts -- its actually just the opposite of what your claiming So, what do you think? also william lane craig is no nobel prize winning scientist -- he isnt even a scientist period Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 is it so hard to understand that isnt proof -- you keep saying the same crap over and over -- that is theory of that scientist -- and yes i do ignore some scientist cause not all of them are correct in their theories so what about the other plants and galaxies were those failed fine tuning experiments -- lmao you didn't understand, they said if just change one constant like the rate of expansion for just a little decimal point, the universe itself will not form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xanax Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 He must be real this whole thread is about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3raphim Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 doesnt matter what i believe in -- you said you have proof of a creator and im still waiting on it cause might change my mind then what do you call this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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